Everyone’s talking about it. Jim Dale, voice of Harry Potter for the US version of the audio books, claims that he knows, after a meeting with Rowling herself, that Harry will die in the 7th book.
Now, let’s start with a dose of reality: If JKR doesn’t tell her own family what’s coming in the books, Jim Dale doesn’t know a thing.
But the question is interesting, isn’t it? It’s interesting enough that I hear the Poll Troll will be making a trip down from the mountain in the near future to ask a few questions about it. Let’s get ourselves prepared for the discussion.
What evidence would there be that Harry might die?
1. We should begin, perhaps, with Rowling’s confession that those who know the Christian story well would be able to guess what is coming in the books (see the “about” page for details). If the Christian story really does figure into this series, and Harry is the hero, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Harry would have to sacrifice himself.
2. A crucial question is one of hot topics in Book 7 speculations: Is Harry a Horcrux? If indeed he is a horcrux, might he need to sacrifice himself in order for Voldemort to finally be destroyed?
What might a response be to these things?
1. Throughout the series, Rowling has utilized primarily non-human Christ symbols (phoenix, stag, philosopher’s stone), though one wonders about Book 6. In any case, Harry does not have to literally die for JKR to follow the Christian story.
2. The question of the final horcrux is a mystery. We don’t know what spell is necessary for horcruxes to be made, so we do not know whether it is even possible for Harry to have been made one “accidentally.” I’ll spend some time on horcrux summary and speculation next week, hopefully, but for now, Harry’s identity as a horcrux or not is simply not enough to conclude he must die. Even if he were, do we know that Harry must die for the horcrux to be extracted from him and destroyed?
But I think we can settle for good whether or not Harry must, as a horcrux, sacrifice himself in order to defeat Voldemort. Assuming he is one, let’s posit a final battle. Harry and Voldemort show off in a final duel. If Harry kills Voldemort, the soul inside Voldemort will remain, because Harry is still alive, and the horcrux inside him remains. Therefore, if Harry has to sacrifice himself as a horcrux, he would have to do it before killing Voldemort, and someone else would have to finish him off. The only way this can possibly be faithful to the book is if the prophecy is not about Harry, because “either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives.” In other words, if Harry must die before Voldemort, then it is someone else who will kill Voldemort finally; but we know the prophecy must be about Harry, because Voldemort marked him out.
Of course, we could consider a plan for Harry and Voldemort to die at the exact same time, or any other number of possibilities (feel free to offer your own). We have no idea what tricks are up JKR’s sleeve. It is best, of course, to speculate with humility, since there are too many unanswered questions. She certainly did a spectacular job keeping things hidden in Book 6, and to put it plainly, there’s no way the voice of Harry on the US audio books knows for sure that Harry will die.
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48 responses so far ↓
1 Varun Goel
// Dec 8, 2005 at 8:41 am
Hi
I agree that it is most probably just a publicity stunt. After all, JKR is cunning enough to know that secrets cannot be disclosed.
I have also made some weird theories about what may happen in the seventh book like Harry is an involuntary Horcrux, RAB, Dumbledore’s Horcrux and many others. Why don’t you check them out at my blog- The Abstact Pensieve (abstractpensieve.blogspot.com).
Please leave your comments!
- Varun Goel
Avid Harry Potter reader
2 Travis Prinzi
// Dec 8, 2005 at 3:36 pm
Varun, Thanks for the comments. Looking forward to checking out your blog!
3 Mary
// Jan 4, 2006 at 6:21 pm
I hope you don’t mind my jumping in - nice website! But I wanted to share my theory with you.
Over and over, J.K. Rowling has emphasized the power of love in the final defeat of Voldemort. Over and over, Harry has basically shrugged this off. I think he actually has to recognize and use this power in order to kill the final horcrux - the soul fragment he is carrying around. He does *not* have to kill Voldemort’s body; once the horcruxes are destroyed (something only Harry can do without harm), anyone could kill the Dark Lord.
So here, as best as I can remember it, is the conclusion of a paper I wrote on Snape:
“I think, in the end, Severus and Harry will have to face Voldemort together - the elder brother and the younger, in obedience to the good old man who was a second father to both of them. Snape, the former death eater, who has killed - perhaps more than once - will have the task of destroying the Dark Lord’s body. To Harry will fall the far more dangerous task of destroying - or, still more difficult, transforming - Voldemort’s soul.”
An addition to this quote: I think Harry must destroy Voldemort-in-himself by forgiving Severus Snape. I’d like to see this happen, and I’d really like to see both Severus and Harry survive the encounter, but at this point I’m not sure either one of them will survive. We can hope, though!
Mary
4 Travis Prinzi
// Jan 10, 2006 at 3:55 pm
Mary, I think you’re right on that Harry will have to figure out why love is the “power the dark lord knows not” in order to succeed in his mission. I also agree that in some way this will involve Snape, and your theory is a good one.
5 Riverbelle
// Jan 17, 2006 at 8:23 am
Interesting theory you have. Is there any way of me being kept informed for future posts on this blog? That would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Wayne.
6 Travis Prinzi
// Jan 17, 2006 at 9:16 am
Wayne,
I’m certain there’s a way to do it (and it’s probably really easy), I just don’t know how yet. Any techies out there who can help?
I’ll get back to you as soon as I know.
7 kritika mittal
// Jan 22, 2006 at 11:20 am
hi
I am also a reader of harry potter books like you.I came to know about your site through my freind.Its fantastic!
I am very inquistive about seventh part.I want to be kept informed about Harry.
I want to thanks you for organising such good group discussion in school.
kritika
8 Ludi
// Jan 31, 2006 at 8:54 am
A thought just occured to me, and I’m not entirely convinced by it, but when I read the paragraph about someone else having to kill LV in order to fulfil the prophecy, it just jumped into my mind.
We already know that the prophecy could’ve refered to either Harry or Neville. If Harry is indeed a Horcrux, and has to destroy himself in a final sacrifice, it could be Neville who is left to finish LV off. In some way this could fulfil the prophecy in a two-fold manner.
Anyway, I just thought I’d bounce some ideas around. At any rate, ever since I finished reading Book 6 it’s been a dearly cherished wish of mine that Harry and Snape have to team up to kill LV… …
9 lucy Smith
// Mar 5, 2006 at 10:16 am
i think that harry should not die because that shows that he doesnt have power and strenth to fight against voldermort
10 me
// Mar 22, 2006 at 5:29 pm
if harry is a horcrux then he will sacrifice himself so that then neval will finish off voldemort
11 (me) Ryan Bream
// Mar 22, 2006 at 5:30 pm
if harry is a horcrux then he will sacrifice himself so that then neval will finish off voldemort
just wanted 2 state my name soz
12 saunak
// Jul 30, 2006 at 2:36 am
harry potter will not die because if he will die then the dooms day of hogwarts will arrive
13 saunak
// Jul 30, 2006 at 2:41 am
mrs. rowling is it not possible to kill harry
alone at the same time u should kill voldermort to save hogwarts
14 tracydaisy
// Jul 30, 2006 at 6:49 pm
I do not believe Harry will die. I can’t believe it and I don’t want to believe it.
I do believe Harry is a horcrux,
but I don’t think that means he has to sacrifice himself first before Voldemort is killed.
Why? ~ because if all Voldemort’s horcruxes have been destroyed but Harry’s scar, I think that Voldemort will become what he was at the beginning of the stories a kind of spirit. At that point I believe if the horcrux scar is destroyed then Voldemort will have nothing attaching him to the world and he will really be dead and have to go bye, bye.
I can’t remember if I noted this anywhere,
but I was wondering if in the end Voldemort’s bodiless kind of spirit will try to possess Harry’s body. “neither can survive while the other lives”-[something like that]. Well if they are both in the same body then one must die.
This would be a real possess unlike that in the MoM, because Voldemort would be only spirit. [keeping in mind the horcrux scar is, as I think, on the outside of Harry's body, because it could not enter into a body that had so much love]. If this is true then, “either must die at the hand of the other” because one will have to expel the other from the body of Harry, and this would mean that one spirit had nothing keeping them earth bound. I think that the horcrux scar will be drawn inward to Voldemort’s spirit and then both Voldemort’s spirit and horcrux soul will be expelled by love.
Any thoughts??
15 Lance C.
// Sep 30, 2006 at 11:28 am
The JK presents all of her books is nothing short of pure genius. Coupled with the fact that none of us really, truthfully know what will happen in book seven. But lets be honest, wouldnt killing Harry off in the last one make new readers not want to read them just because they know, harry dies. Its far too easy to end stories in death and as JK books have never been anything ordinary, I wouldnt expect a death ending, not with harry anyways. One thing I wondered is whether or not Voldemort could bring back Lilly and James Potter as Inferi. Those are freaky. Well time will only tell us the fate of Harry after all, what will happen to this site after book seven? A good question.
16 korg20000bc
// Sep 30, 2006 at 10:27 pm
Lance C,
I disagree with you that it would be “far too easy to end stories in death…”. I think it especially bold if JKR decided that Harry die in book 7. The easy thing would be to buckle to the pressure that suggests “it’d be terrible to expose kids to the death of a hero” or that as “children’s book” there should be anything depressing. I write depressing but don’t feel that myself. There is nothing depressing about victory through great sacrifice or that some causes go beyond an individuals life.
I would find it depressing if the stories became just another easy sucess = life and it’s all hunky-dory. Life isn’t like that and JKR hasn’t shielded her readers from the hard knocks, why would she do so in the last story? It ain’t gonna happen…
I also disagree that people wouldn’y read the stories because they know the hero dies in the end. That’s like saying no-one reads Hamlet or MacBeth!
I’d like to think that after fighting the good fight, Harry and his friends could sit back and have a nice rest, becomming Hogwarts professors or the greatest Aurors or all time. But Harry’s calling is to something much greater.
I cannot wait to find out the details
Matt
17 Arushi
// Oct 14, 2006 at 11:46 am
will harry die in 7th book??
18 Nikkie
// Dec 3, 2006 at 4:13 pm
I duno, i think that he might not. i mean in the 1st book/film we find out that harrys mom dies so that he could liv. and voldermort clearly says (in the book at least) that if harry doesnt do as he says, he will kill him and then his mother would hav died in vein. but then again, his mom could have died so harry could live then die to save everyone (im confusing my self-lol)
19 Nikkie
// Dec 3, 2006 at 4:18 pm
Plus, jim dale said:
“She’s lived with Harry Potter so long she really wants to kill him off.”
That doesnt mean that she ACTUALLY goes through with it and destroys millions of kids hero…
20 Nikkie
// Dec 18, 2006 at 6:42 am
i think harry might do somthing toatally unbeleivable like forgive voldermort. and then v/m wont be able to take it- it carries on with the whole “you can love, harry” thing.
21 Ms. Jan
// Jan 30, 2007 at 12:11 am
Just thinking…what if Ginny is a horcrux? Harry is crazy about her. And we’ve been led to believe that one of Harry’s friends would die. Could it be her? Maybe the ’sacrifice’ will be one of his friends.
Ms. Rowling seems to have brought pieces of several legends and religious theology to these books. It may not follow the Christian story per se. It’s still a story for young people, so I hesitate to believe she’ll fall into Hollywood’s pit and wipe out everyone of interest–particulary Harry.
I don’t think Neville will finish off Voldemort, however he may take on Bellatrix Lestrange for what she did to his parents. He may also assist Harry in destroying a horcrux. Whatever he contributes, he will make his Gran proud and do honor to his parents. He may be a martyr, too.
I hope Lupin and Bill Weasley give Fenrir (the werewolf) his comeuppance, too.
I just have this gut feeling that Snape will be part of the solution to ridding the wizard world of LV. He and Harry are more alike then they would want to believe. Oh, yeah, he hates Harry and vice versa. James Potter was an arrogant little twit, as was Sirius Black, when young (Sirius still struggled with it as he aged, while marriage helped James grow up.) Snape mistakenly sees Harry as another James. Harry has felt twinges of guilt for his father’s behavior toward Snape. But as mentioned earlier, Dumbledore saw the potential in both Harry and Snape. He was there for both of them. He wasn’t close to James and Sirius, or Tom Riddle. Both Harry and Snape are powerful wizards. What they have in common–sad upbringings, abuse and bullying, the struggles of adolescence, etc., may be what brings them together for whatever they will ultimately be called to do.
Well, this was just an old lady’s thoughts and meanderings on this subject. I have enjoyed this series of books tremendously! Haven’t gotten into a story this much since David Copperfield. Not that I am/was a contemporary of Charles Dickens.
Thanks, y’all.
22 Christina
// Jan 30, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Ms. Jan, I completely agree with you regarding the possiblity that JKR would not hesitate to sacrifice main characters (we have already seen that!). And I also am eagerly waiting for Neville to get his new wand on Bellatrix. She is totally going to get “hers” in the last book.
Please continue to post, Ms. Jan…these books are for every one at every age. Your thoughts are wonderful. I enjoyed your post!
23 Andre
// Feb 3, 2007 at 3:04 am
I have a theory please comment if you feel so i will warn you from now that my theory might seem weird. Anyways i think the death of Dumbledore by the hand of snape was planned. As we see in book six there is a article stating that dumbledore was mad at snape as informed to harry by hagrid. Harry took this as anger resulting in the lack of investigation in a certain slytherin. In this same article hagrid quotes dumbledore to saying “he promised to do it and thats that” while snape replied “Dumbledore takes him for granted”. In my opinon snape will help Harry in the end somehow regardless of there diffrences.
24 Travis Prinzi
// Feb 3, 2007 at 8:22 am
Andre, that theory has been proposed in many different versions. I think Dumbledore and Snape did have a contingency plan, so that if it came down to that situation, Snape would kill Dumbledore (although the Stoppered Death theory fits into this too, so that Snape didn’t actually “murder” him).
I agree that Snape is a good guy and will help Harry before the end.
25 Reyhan
// Feb 3, 2007 at 11:32 am
Interesting dilemma. Plotwise, and to fulfill the Christian myth, it would work best if Harry did sacrifice himself in order to keep the world safe from evil (i.e. the wizard formerly known as Tom Riddle)
But Harry is the soul of the septology, and children (and quite a few adults) all over the world would feel let down and betrayed if he died.
Unless JK really did want to copy the second most popular serialized author in history and pull a Little Nell.
So to my mind, it’s not so much whether Harry will die, but rather: who will die?
Two people, according to the author.
My short list includes Snape, Neville, Lupin and Aunt Petunia.
26 Christina
// Feb 3, 2007 at 8:46 pm
If I am not mistaken, according to JKR, two ADDITIONAL characters will die (characters she had not originally planned to kill off prior to writing the last book). That said, we could well see 5 or more that die. It certainly would not surprise me.
27 Alice
// Mar 9, 2007 at 1:53 am
I expect to see a transformation of Voldemort AND Harry in B7.
We do know what happens when a person loses his soul, but does not die (Bertie Crouch, Jr.), and I feel unreasonably confident that is how Voldemort will end up, as a vegetative hull. It is “worse than death,†and DD told us that one of LV’s biggest weaknesses was his failure to understand that some things are worse than death.
We have been told that Harry needs to find and destroy the horcruxes, but perhaps Harry has been led to believe this because it is what DD WANTS LV to believe. (Since anything Harry knows is potentially available to LV.) DD also needs Harry to hate Snape, for the same reason.
Isn’t the soul fragment still in LV the only thing keeping him from the Bartie Crouch fate? LV is paying too much attention to the soul bits he has transferred to horcruxes, and too little attention to the soul left in him. LV thinks about being the victim of an AK; he thinks about survival even if his body is dead. But what if his body is NOT attacked? What if his SOUL is attacked?
If this is the case, then all those horcruxes are almost red herrings, except for the fact that the soul bit inside Harry will likely be what pulls the soul bit out of LV.
Like Hermoine, I have been waiting for DD to give Harry something to fight LV with..ANYTHING. But nothing ever came. And that is because Harry already has what he needs to vanquish the Dark Lord.
28 Cartherine
// Mar 17, 2007 at 7:35 pm
About the original article,
I do believe Harry to be a horcrux that must kill himself in order to destroy voldemort. It was said that this would get the prohphesy since one would be killed at the hand of another, but if harry is killing himself destroying the las horcrux, he is in fact contributing to voldemort’s death. I think perhaps voldemort pretends to want to kill harry and want him so badly, so that people such as albus and hogwarts protect harry fiercely, making Voldemort have no worries about harm being done to his 7th horcrux.
Also, socially in the book Jk leave clues that harry will die. First of all, he breaks it off with Ginny. i think Jk does this so it seems as if Harry has nothing to lose at the end. How awkward would it be if it seems as if Harry and Ginny are soulmates just so Harry can just die! Also, Ron and Hermione agree to travle with Harry, so that they will they will be with him in his final days.
29 Sarah
// Mar 18, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Cartherine,
I agree with your assessment of the book and I think your predictions are not only accurate but hold an interesting theory I have not yet heard.
30 ginny
// Mar 23, 2007 at 5:45 pm
I dont think the voice of harry has any idea wat the hell hes saying! i also bet harry will die. since 2 people are seed to die i bet either harry and voldemort die or voldemort and ginny,ron,or hermine will die. dos any one here like H/G?
31 Wasif
// Apr 28, 2007 at 7:32 am
Hi
You guys wrote all this a long time ago.
But I’d like to add something.
It has been mentioned by Cartherine here, but that is not satisfactory to me.
Its obvious that if Harry is the last Horcrux, then Voldemort knows it. And if He knows then he would not be so intent upon killing Harry.
Dumbledore mentioned that He could have made Nagini a horcrux. And thats why we’ve been thinking all this.
The soul was to be divided into seven parts, remember? That is, six murders needed to be done for it. Harry was supposed to be the last victim.
Six Horcruxes were to be made. But only five were made till the fall of Voldemort.
Lets put the sixth horcrux aside.
Then we have two already destroyed. One possibly destroyed (Again the optimistic approach that RAB had destroyed it himself as he had intended). But we can’t say that it with confidence.
So five minus two leaves three. There’s a fair bit of idea that two of these must have been relics or possessions of the Hogwarts founders. That only leaves the Horcrux of RAB. Harry would be investigating that.
And, of course coming back to the sixth Horcrux, which Voldemort might have made later. Now, some think it was made at the Godrics Hollow. But I don’t. But I can’t deny it wasn’t made later.
So the task is not as hard. Two still protected. One possibly in Grimauld place.
One possibly around Voldemort all the time.
One more thing, I’d like to say, which I have been waiting to say all the time. Harry is not going to die.
Look, I have a lot of respect for Mrs. Rowling. She has built up a very fine story.
But if Harry’s death is the way the story ends, then I would never like to remember Harry’s tale. I still cheer up myself at the thought of Frodo’s endeavours. I still like Aragon and Gandalf and the friends of Frodo.
There is a lot of goodness in the world. We just fail to see it because it never comes in the limelight. If we hear about good deeds we say, ‘oh publicity stunts’.
Harry Potter is the tale of another such goodness.
And if he has to die in this path, then I will feel sorry to myself because I have wasted all the hours I spent re-reading about Harry.
A tragic end would be commercial. But I think the phenomenon created by JKR is above it.
If she falls for it then I won’t find her respectable anymore than a businesswoman.
32 Reyhan
// Apr 28, 2007 at 10:43 am
I can see two very important reasons for Harry to die at the end of the saga.
First, love, death and transcending death are the central themes of the story. The author has already told us that if we know the central Christian myth, then we should be able to figure out what happens in the end. If her interpretation of the myth requires Harry to sacrifice himself for the sake of freeing the world from Voldemort, then we need to accept that.
Second, the mark of a great story teller is when people ask “what happened after that?” Many people won’t be content to let the saga end. Even seven books won’t be enough, they’ll want more. JKR may actually protect the integrity of the saga by killing Harry at the end. That way, she herself won’t be tempted to return and write about Harry’s future adventures. And other people won’t be able to produce inferior sequels once the copyright protection ends.
On the other hand, killing Harry might well be a commercially bad move. Other people have pointed this out. If Harry dies July 21, what will happen to the attendance rates for the next two movies? I would bet that there would be a lot of anger (a very big lot !) which might jeapordize attendance.
Anyways, killing Harry could be artistically right, but commercially risky.
33 Christina
// Apr 28, 2007 at 10:54 am
I really feel like Harry might “pull a Frodo” at the end of DH, in that he will voluntarily go behind the veil to be with those that he has lost (not necessarily die, because I don’t think Sirius “died” before falling behind the veil). It would seem kind of weak, but then again, it would spare us the horror of having to watch Harry die. I was always a little dissappointed when Frodo left, but at the same time I understood why he felt he needed to. He had been through so much, and there was nothing really left for him.
I think that JKR will also go into the future to allow us to see what happens to the others. Hermione and Ron would carry on…life would carry on…maybe name their first son Harry.
34 seriously_black
// Apr 28, 2007 at 11:48 am
It’s true that JKR has commented that she can understand the impulse to kill off a central character - to discourage other writers from trying to cash in on the success of their work.
However I’m sure that she is smart enough to realise that even that would not work. Writers who are so motivated can write endless side plots and prequels - and for that matter, can build a plot contrivance of some sort to bring the character back to life. It’s been done before.
If JKR has killed Harry off (which I don’t expect, BTW) then I am confident she will have done so for plot-related reasons, not because of considerations about what other authors might later do.
Moreover, if JKR were even considering killing Harry, she would in no way have wanted people to think that she might be doing so for reasons of self-interest and to protect her copyright. So she would not have talked about the temptation to kill a major character for that reason. The fact that she did talk about that temptation is IMO one of the surest indications that she has naver had any intention of having Harry meet his death.
35 Christina
// Apr 28, 2007 at 11:58 am
Seriously_black, I agree. I don’t think that JKR would kill off Harry simply to prevent others from continuing the story. She is too good a writer for that. And I do hope that you are right in that you believe Harry will live. I really hope so! In fact, I would love it if she titled the final chapter, “The Man Who Lived”.
36 Kel
// May 21, 2007 at 1:48 am
Since everyone is leaving their theories, I’ll give you mine….ok I’m not sure if I’m recalling correctly but I think somewhere JK Rowling said that Harry is NOT a horcrux. However as to whether or not Harry dies….I believe he will based on these facts: First Professor Trelawny is constantly predicting that Harry will die at a young age and just in general predicting his death. Now, we know that Trelawny does posess the gift so it stands to reason that she’s right and Harry will die. We are repeatedly told in all the books she is a seer and we’re told repeatedly she sees Harry’s death….he will die a horrible death in fact she says. Second, JK Rowling herself has said that she will make the ending so that no one can publish other books to continue the story like what was done with star wars. If there’s no Harry….no one can continue the story, so it stands to reason…Harry must die. I don’t like it either but alas it seems a strong possibility. Now one thing I do believe since she has told us that Snape is a good guy is that the death of Dumbledore was indeed a pact between Snape and Dumbledore. I’ll explain….In book 4 Voldemort used Harry’s blood to return to full being. He then touched Harry proving he could now touch him and the spell his mother put on him through her death was gone. (it also stands to reason if Harry was a horcrux voldemort took what he needed when he took Harry’s blood/or it would’ve killed him because of the love in Harry’s veins, so who knows) anyway, with the spell from Lily gone Dumbledore felt the need to put that spell back into Harry without Voldemort knowing it so that when Harry did face him again Harry was protected. In order for this spell to work the person who dies has to “choose” to die. Dumbledore knew of snape’s unbreakable vow and knew Draco would not go through his mission to kill him. When Snape confronts Dumbledore on the tower in book 6, it says Dumbledore who had been calm and handing out lessons in manners, becomes suddenly afraid and pleads with Snape. He says, “Severus…please”. I don’t think he was pleading for his life because JK has said Snape is good. Therefore he was pleading with Snape to do what he swore he’d do and kill Dumbledore. So Dumbledore chose to die and was able to put the protection back into Harry. If Harry is truly to die, I guess something will happen to destroy this protection, who knows. Also, as far as the real locket that is a horcrux….it was in book 5. It was in the cabinet the kids cleaned out when decontaminating the Black house at Grimmauld Place. Because R.A.B is Sirius’ brother Regulas Black(remember his name on the tapestry at the Black house?) and R.A.B. says in his note in the fake locket that he took the real horcrux it stands to reason it would be in the Black house and mention is given to a locket found in the cabinet by the kids when cleaning in book 5. However, I believe that Mundungus will have taken this locket making it difficult for Harry to find it.(remember in book 6 Harry catches Mundungus with all the Black family goblets etc.) Just a theory but it was in the house in book 5.
37 Kel
// May 21, 2007 at 1:55 am
One more thing….all the characters in the book always say that Dumbledore has some reason to believe Snape is good and Dumbeldore himself states this numerous times and JK says he’s good but the other characters wonder why Dumbledore knows this???? In book 5 when Harry is in the pensieve and sees his father and Snape and the things his father does to humiliate Snape there is some subtle references to Snape seeming to have a thing for Lily. I believe Snape was in love with Lily and after her death realized what he’d done(since he was the one who delivered the prophecy to Voldemort)and that’s why he turned back to the good side and was so remorseful as Dumbledore tells Harry and that’s the secret Dumbledore knows that tells him Snape is good.
38 Kel
// May 21, 2007 at 2:04 am
Sorry but I forgot to mention something else. The reason for Dumbledore putting the spell back into Harry would be that Voldemort wouldn’t know about it and after Harry has found and destroyed all the horcrux’s then he will face Voldemort. He can let Voldemort use the avada kedavra on him and it will again backfire onto voldemort but this time there are no horcrux’s so Voldy is now dead. But according to Trelawny Harry dies so somehow he still dies.
39 Harry
// Jun 21, 2007 at 6:06 pm
If harry is the last Horcrux, which i believ he isn’t. But if he is, seeing as everyone believes he is. There must be another way to bring the horcrux out of the person. It would be pointless for a wizard to put a horcrux into another living person, if there was no spell to bring it back out. And I dont think Harry will die, he will certainly come very close to death, he might be able to see sirius again and finially meet his parents some how. Because JK said that she hadn’t felt any better after making a book.
40 Nick
// Jul 11, 2007 at 3:06 pm
This is what i believe will happen
Harry returns to privet Dr one last time
Harry sees the wedding at rons house
Harry begins to track Horcruxes, thinking they may lead them to Snape
along the way.
In the mean time, Voldemort chases after Ron and Hermione, as an
attempt to wound Harry and make him feel grief. Snape arranges a way
to hide R&H saying he could not break the vow and die to save
Dumbledore, but he will atleast hide R&H, giving harry time to find
the horcruxes. Snap belives he is a good enough occulmens to convince
Voldemort that he doesnt know where R/H are, but EITHER Snape betrays
them OR Voldemort finds out the truth, and Snape is going to be
killed. Snape begs, and gets put under the imperius curse, and he is
told to kill R/H. During this time, Harry has been tracking down 2 of
the horcruxes, the hufflepuff cup, and R.A.B. who is Sirius’s bro,
Regulus Black, who found out earlier about Voldemorts plan, and stole
the locket. Regulus has also been living in hiding, thought to be
dead. Harry heads back to Deathly Hallows, where RAB says he will find
the key to destroy voldemort. It turns out that Snape decided not to
kil R/H, and Snape blurts out Voldemorts plan to destroy Harry at the
place where he failed to destroy him 17 years ago. Ron and H fly to
the hallows, where there is the dark mark, and Voldemort and his death
eaters have a circle around Harry. Voldemort wants to find out how
many horcruxes are left, becuase he cant make another because doing so
would split his soul to a point where he couldnt survive. Harry wont
tell him, and demands to know if he is a horcrux. V crucios HP, but
Snape and RH arrive, scattering the Death Eaters. Voldemort reacts
quickly, and Snape/R/Herm are surrounded. Snape uses a spell, the soul
exchange spell, where the killer can temporarily banish his soul to
reincarnate the one he killed, and Dumbledore duels with Voldemort.
Voldemort manages to cast a spell that encoils Dumbledore in coils of
a snakke, and Voldemort moves to kill Harry. (R/H are fighting off
deatheaters. Wormtail, whose life was saved by harry, is compelled to
stop Voldemort, but he gets blasted. Voldemort is about to kill harry,
but dumbledore is free, and sacrifices snapes life, with dumbledores
spirit, to block the Avada curse. A combined affect of Dumbledore
being dead, and snape willingly sacrificing himself causes the spell
to reflect, killing Voldemort’s corporeal form. Harry feels pain
beyond pain in his scar, a horcrux that voledmort’s soul is bound to,
and Harry is given the choice to allow himself to be killed, to kill
Voldemort, or to allow the horcrux to survive, thus sustaining
voldemort. Ron / Herm tell him not to die, that his parents ans
dumbledore wouldnt have wanted it, that the life of HP is greater than
Voldemorts. Harry, on one hand, wants to die, to be with sirius and
his parents. But the friendship he feels towards R/H is contradicting
thatt urge to let go. In effect, his ability to love consumes his
body, and that is a force that voldemort can stand. Harry’s soul,
which is so much stronger, fights voldemort, who is a spirit in his
body, trying to overcome him. The crux of the battle comes when harry
decides to kill himself to kill voldemort, and the fact that he will
kill himself in order to “save mankind” creates a force so powerful in
his soul, that it cleanses him of all the darkness and vile spirit in
him, thus killing voldemort.
41 Ronald Potter SP 2
// Jul 11, 2007 at 4:44 pm
dood, save some space really ppl aint like 2 reed 2222222222222222 long
42 Ronald Potter SP 2
// Jul 11, 2007 at 4:50 pm
jeez # 40, actually thaz some good thinkin u got there, little 2 sure ab details, but ? 4 u- HOW DOES THE DUMBDOOR COME IN THE STORY!
43 the Cryptographer
// Jul 12, 2007 at 2:40 am
Yes! and No!
SHOCKED…
READ ON
the ending will be as foollows acc. 2 me
‘With Harry finding all the horcruxes and finally destroying lord voldemort there should be a conquer of good over evil But JKR clearly states that we are dealing with pure evil here which means Harry need to sacrifice something .. How about his killing a death eater and creating a horcrux. So its possible that one part of Harry will die during the final battle with voldemort (Harry will kill Voldy and one of the other death eater may be Bellatrix lestrange kills Harry) then Snape will create a good potion to revive the other horcrux of Harry and Harry continues to live…. So the story ends with Harry living acc to prophecy ‘neither shall live while the other survives’ and with the wizarding world free one again with the hope that there will live no other foolish witch who is forsaken by everyone and who will make a love potion to attract a unaware muggle as a husband… only to give that world the Voldy back…
so harry too will make a horcrux… so as to live
Nobody else thought of that…..
is it what JKR meant thru her comment that u will find the end surprising that u had never thought of….
post ur comments 2 me at
soccerer_2004@indiatimes.com
44 Harry P-P-P-OTTER
// Jul 12, 2007 at 10:59 am
2. A crucial question is one of hot topics in Book 7 speculations: Is Harry a Horcrux? If indeed he is a horcrux, might he need to sacrifice himself in order for Voldemort to finally be destroyed?
I watched this video that suggested that his scar is and that Snape might come along and show a way that he can take it off without killing himself, But he might have to kill one of his friends?!
45 Harry P-P-P-OTTER
// Jul 12, 2007 at 10:59 am
*I watched this video that suggested that his scar is a horcrux and that Snape might come along and show a way that he can take it off without killing himself, But he might have to kill one of his friends?!
46 random
// Jul 12, 2007 at 1:27 pm
If Harry is a horcrux then why would LV want to kill a part of his own soul.
47 ash dragon
// Jul 16, 2007 at 9:49 am
hey
all these theories are good people but my guess is
harry is not a horcrux
and harry will not die
and as in the sixth books ending when dumbledore stuns harry under the cloak when on that tower where he is killed harry will be able to move again after dumbledore is dead so i think as jkr said that the last book ends with the word scar i think this is how it ends
“harry sighs to himself ,atlast the second war is over and (of what was becoming a habit) feels the smooth place in his forehead which used to have his scar”
so after killing lv i think the scar vanishes ………
48 angry pagrangry
// Jul 29, 2007 at 3:44 pm
YOU ALLASRE MEANIE HEADS AND YOU GOT THE WRONG IDEA I HAVE READ THE BOOK HARRY LIVES AND VOLDEMORT DIES. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA EVIL SHALL NOT LIVE!!!!! AND HARRY GETS MARRIES GINNY> AND RON MARRIES HERMONIE OR HOWEVER YOU SPELL HER NAME. I THINK HARRY AND HERMONIE SHOULD OF GOTTEN MARRIED AND YES I GO TO A MENTAL HEALTH INSTINTUITE BUT WHO CARES AN HARRY”S OWL DIES!!!!
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